Edgeworth Ready Rubbed

It's a cased burley, not an aromatic, it's not super boozy or a goopy sickly sweet aromatic. Burley runs the show here and the casing is very lightly applied and almost unnoticeable to the smoker. This is just a good ole burley.

It's like I have said... there are few non-aro's overall that don't contain some flavor agent, cased, top-noted or both. It is always a question of "degree". When the tobacco is "masked" by a non-tobacco flavor agent it becomes an aromatic. When the flavor is used in subtle amounts to aid in the marriage of tobacco flavors and those tobacco flavors remain out front, it is a non-aro.

That is why I order my Captain Bob's Blend from C&D "unsauced". I always know I am getting quality tobacco that I have specified, blended to my specifications and unflavored in any way. If I choose to experiment or add a top note, I do so on my own.

Most of the time, I smoke it plain and like it best that way. With C&D you can get whatever you want and rely on it being what you requested. If you like an unflavored VA Flake, they'll ask you what VA you want such as red, lemon, gold or mixed. How you want it cut, pressed or sliced.

Does the "almost" in your statement mean that you would not know it was there if someone had not told you? Or do you smoke it and say, "Yep, that's rum and other secret ingredients."

Does the amount of flavoring compare to Carter Hall? (Not the actual flavor, but the amount of flavor.) There is something in Carter Hall, but it is very subtle and one has to almost search for it to notice it.

there really is no comparison between Carter Hall and ERRd. When you pop the lid on ERRd, there is a most characteristic aroma of aged burley, that coffee-baking bread-freshly turned earth in spring sun aroma, very full and comforting. But, maybe I'm prejudiced after 40+ years. As I understand the old Larus Bros formulae, small amounts of rum and probably molasses were added to the raw leaf before aging, to enhance the aging process and the flavor of the white burleys, which in themselves, are rather bland and almost w/o character. An aromatic would be more along the lines of Rum and Maple, in which Larus Bros used essentially the same white burleys to which the characteristic flavorings were added with some VAs. Carter Hall sms to use the same base tobaccos of crimp cut burleys and VAs as is found in many of the other Middelton blends (other than PA). Any flavor enhancement is then added.

Bob gifted me a tub of ERR. It is not aromatic at all. It has all the goodness of pure tobacco. Cube cut. And you CAN put it in your Dunnie & smoke it with pride - it really is good stuff. This is not one of your Lane 1Q genre goop tobaccos with the side wheels on - it's the real deal. I've detected no casing, least of all booze (I really don't drink alcohol, so I should pick it up). All of which makes it not National Joy Tobacco, but National Shame Tobacco, since it's being taken off the market. Disgraceful. Smoke it while you can.

It burns clean taste just tobacco and is quite satisfying. Smoked pure it is a very good in between tobacco, it does have a certain sweetness to it, but I would say it is due to the VA's in there. Rum isn't really what I would associate with it.

I have smoked 2 oz of it, but I am going to order a few tubs, it is very very cheap, and blending it with the right amount of perique gives you a superior Bur/Va/per.

Thanks everyone for sharing your comments and experience. I received the answer I was hoping to hear. I will be ordering some soon.

I really got into this tobacco to late in the game. I really enjoy it straight or mixed with Carter Hall, to make my 6 tub supply stretch. I don't pick up any rum and as all have said it is a REAL tobacco. I love when I open a can of this stuff and sit and take in that smell.
Regards,
Dave

I went ahead and ordered three tubs knowing that: 1) it might not be available much longer and 2) if I do not like it, I can probably find someone to take it off my hands. I snagged them from WVsmokeshop.com. They were a tad cheaper at JR cigars, but I wanted to get a sample of Peter Stokkeby Luxury Navy Flake as well.

I did the same. I figure that the dried as dust baggie I picked up from the local B&M was not a fair test of this blend. It seems several use is as a base with other blends as well as straight. Like you say, can't go wrong - unloading it is not going to be a problem.... ever.

For anyone interested in stocking up:

WVsmokeshop.com -- US$20.19
jrcigars.com -- US$19.95
pipesandcigars.com -- US$$24.99 or 4 for $89.99 (Ha!)
iwanries.com -- US$28.25 (Double Ha!)

it is obvious who doesn't think much about their clientèle.

I am not sure I would go that far, but I do wonder why the price is 30% less at one retailer versus another. Bulk price?

By the way, "clientèle"? Spelled properly and with the correct punctuation. That new browser with spell check in action, eh?

My US source charges $25 för a tub.

well, shipping is cheap, and available, not that many wants to ship over here.

To me it tastes like cream soda!

CH has a cavendish component, not alot but it's there. Edgeworth is so lightly cased you probably would not know the flavor or be able to identify it. More than anything Edgeworth is just a full flavored natural stout burley. Very nice indeed nothing sweet goopy or bitey.

Edgeworth Ready Rubbed is one of my favorite smokes and definitely my favorite codger burley. I have never noticed any artificial flavor to it, just great burley taste.

Smokey

I gotta disagree there. Rum and Maple is a Topped Burley, not a sauced one. It's not really sweet!
It has the sweet aroma, without the overly sweet taste. Sometimes, its taste is not sweet at all. A strong side tends to poke its head out of RM. Aromatics are goopy and sticky and ruin your pipes. Rum and Maple always smokes dry in my pipes all the way down.

For our MPC members information, I'll offer a bit of clarification of terms. There is a distinct difference between processes when describing "Curing, Casing, Saucing and "Top-Note".

Tobacco is generally cured and cased when the blender gets it. The blender will sauce (soak) it as an aromatic and/or apply a "Top-Note" flavor.

In the case of my Captain Bob's Full Flavored Blend, I get the six tobacco's from C&D already blended together and moisture has been applied to approximately 15% when it is mixed prior to shipping to me. When I receive the blend, it is ready to smoke "straight" (no flavor additives) or apply a "Top-Note" flavor ingredient still leaving it as a non-aromatic or "very light" aromatic depending on my mood. I do not sauce (soak) the tobacco unless I am preparing myself an aromatic blend, which I seldom do because I prefer non-aro's.

I purchase my blend in five pound lots and put it into mason jars upon receipt. As I remove tobacco from the jar to smoke, I generally will apply a very slight "Top-Note" referred to as a "drop-of-flavor". True tobacco taste is very much evident. Many non-aro's have a "Top-Note" and smoker's don't necessarily even know it is there. But, it does serve a purpose in the overall composition and presentation of the blend.

Without a "Top-Note" depending on the curing and/or casing process, the tobacco can be much less enjoyable. Just because it has a "Top-Note" does not mean it is an aromatic or that you wouldn't like it.

Even MacBaren's Golden Virginia has a "top-Note". It is not distinquishable in terms of a specific flavor. I was told by a tobacco rep years ago, it is a combination of multiple flavors intended to marry the blends various Virginia leafs. It's a sort of common denominator to present the smoke as "one" lovely tasting tobacco.

While I can't identify that particular flavor composition, I know it is there and it has always been one of my favorite smokes. It is considered a non-aromatic blend. This type of blend could include a touch of vanilla, maple, citrus as a combo "Top-Note" and not be at all discernable by the smoker. Some "Top-Notes" can consist of numerous flavor ingredients to add just the touch of sweetness a blend needs. I have one such "top-Note" Formula that includes the following ingredients: Vanilla, orange, cinnamon, black-walnut, caramel and maple. When applied to a Virginia/Burley Blend as a non-aro in miniscule amounts, the smoker doesn't know it is there. But the flavor of the tobacco is so much better than when this miniscule amount of flavoring is not added.

I am sure that Bob or Craig could add more information to further clarify the point I have tried to make. Those guys have forgotten more than I know and could really lay it out for you better than I. I am a novice by comparison.

I forgot about this thread. Since I started it, I bought some Edgeworth and love it. A wonderful, no-nonsense burley. I do not notice any added flavor. I plan to continue buying large number of tubs until the SO chucks one at my head. At that point, I will stop.

No helmet under that hat?

Are you planning on jarring it?

I will just store it in the tubs until open, and then it goes into the large ERRd bail-top jar.

The following information is relevant for more or less mass production prior say 1985.

There are different manufacturing practices. Often, the distinction between casing and flavoring is made according to the purpose of the respective treatment and its place in the general processing. From this point of view casing is for the general modification of the smoking properties of the leaf, for example, to adjust alkalinity, to control sweetness and the general aroma, to facilitate marrying different components of the future blend and so on. For example, all burley tobaccos are cased in a syrup to increase pH of the smoke. Of course, casing can be different for different grades.

After all leaves constituting tobacco are blended and cut flavoring can be added. Usually it's highly volatile and has no other purpose then modifying the aroma of the blend (either in the tin or in the smoke). This is important that it is done for blended leaves (yeah, I know, blended leaf is something quite different but you know what I'm talking about) and at the last stage of manufacturing just prior packaging (after letting it rest a bit, of course).

Just to get a feeling what is the role of casing (not flavoring), as is said in The production of tobacco by W. W. Garner, in 1940 for manufacturing 344 mln. lbs of smoking and chewing tobaccos and snuff over 21 mln. lbs of licorice and 34 mln. lbs of sugar were used.

I find it interesting with this regard that the leaves could be cased prior aging. Traditionally this is non-processed leaf, which is aged and I was wondering what would be the effect of partial processing on this. Apparently it made sense but it raises the question how they managed the moisture of the leaf before storing. This is interesting.

On aromatic vs non-aromatic, there is a certain discontinuity in the tradition that comes around mid-70s (or later). In old papers the classification was made based on "degree of aromaticity" (as it is formulated in National Pipe smoking surveys ordered by RJR during late 60s). According to this classification Balkan Sobranie and Dunhill's MM 965 are aromatics together with, say, Lane's Wild Cherry. So, in the cases described by Bob Runowski these tobaccos would qualify as aromatics. Moreover, Orientals were generally considered as aromatics. I know that additional grade of fragrant blends was attempted to be introduced in order to distinguish aromatic tobaccos from artificially flavored but somehow failed. That's a pity.

I think aromatics in general kind of get a bum rap from the aromatic blends that use propylene glycol as the carrier of the flavoring. Mac Baren considers their honey topped Navy Flake to be aromatic yet most here consider it a VA/Bur.

The only real problem I see surrounding most discussions of aro vs non-aro is the fact that there are some (so called non-aro)pipe smokers who look down their noses at smokers of anything that might be considered aromatic. The sole purpose of my remarks in various MPC forums on the subject is to clarify that most of these non-aro smokers are not smoking straight tobacco! This has been an educating discussion for some, or new information for others. We should all be able to agree that the whole topic of aro vs non-aro is simply never "black or white". The truth in almost every case is only known by the blender. And , even then, does the blender know how his tobacco order may have been treated prior to his receiving it?

I admire and respect every pipe smoker regardless of his pipe or his tobacco. I think we are all special people who have the enjoyment of the pipe in common.

If you got it, smoke it. If you like it, enjoy it. It is enough reward for me just to have friends in this community who repect my love of the pipe and I respect them, as well.

Damn, I'll say it again, what a lovely tobacco.

Got to get myself another tub of this, pronto!

seem like I had the missconception that it contains Virginia tobacco, don't know where that came from, reading on the tub, it says kentucky and burley